Re: Turing test

[Barry Phease <barryp@xxxxxxxx>]

Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

[very interesting stuff, Vincent]

I think it tells us a lot about where computer chess is. 

> More interesting than this subject is next subject. Now that computers
> at certain terrains in chess (tactics) are stronger than most
> humans are, how to catch that human who cheats; he is playing himselve,
> but is what we call 'blunderchecking' his moves. So he's checking whether
> his moves don't lose obvious or directly. So in fact he is an android.
> How to catch the android?

> At internet when cheating you need to do more than that. You cannot perform
> like a zombie, because then you're a true computer then which gets easily
> catched, when playing the wrong persons. also you need to keep track
> of another window. This means you lose simply some more seconds a move.
> Then you need to read the output of the computer and to see whether you like
> it. This eats up seconds. I would guess at least 6 seconds a move for the
> quick androids. Then you still need to move it with the mouse at the board.
> Now assume 60 moves at least a game. This eats 6 minutes of the androids
> own time just for administration.

I guess you could circumvent that a bit by building the blunderchecker
in to the client program, so you didn't need to work in a different
window.  You would still need to wait for the computer to calculate that
the move was ok.  Of course most moves would pass the check and only a
few would need to be revised so the additional computer-time would be
the only real cost.

Some go server clients have atari checkers built into them (so I've
heard), which is a small way along the path.

Perhaps this is the best use for go programs for the forseeable future. 
Already tsume go programs are strong in certain positions.

I don't recommend using them for cheating, but if a (dan level) human
could play more strongly with computer help then it would tell us
something about computer go.

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