Re: Intelligence

[Serge Boisse <boisse@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Robert Jasiek wrote:

> A human's intelligence
>      is the ability to apply knowledge.
> A computer's artificial intelligence
>      is the ability to apply knowledge.
>

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> Why am I telling you these trivialities? IMO, we should get rid of
> the myth that intelligence includes feeling and intuition. Rather
> it is just knowledge representation and application. The word
> intuition merely hides the fact that 10^5 or 10^6 rules are
> necessary for successful application. The art of artificial
> intelligence then starts with structuring such rules -
> knowledge about knowledge.
>
> What do I do as a human when applying "intuition"? Take a hare
> nakade, e.g. I immediately have the intuition to occupy the vital
> point. However, this intuition is only based on knowledge!
>

May I say I am strongly opposed to that formulation ?
Go has this incredible feature that the amount of knowledge needed to play "at
best" is increasing overexponentially with board size :
sizes less than 7 are, I think, compatible with a computer knowledge.
Size 13 is, I think , possible to master by a child (I know very well that there
are a lot of children that play very well with size 19 : but here I'm talking
about Mastering the game, i.e. having enough knowledge and skill to capture the
full essence of the game)
Size 19 is maybe the max size for a human intelligence. And only very few pros
are indeed  *True masters*. I have in mind a chat I had with an amateur 3-dan
who told me his great surprise to discover that, after working like a beast for
many years, he was still 3-dan : in his mind, the very existence of higher rank
players was a deep mystery !
Size 23 is, I think, the maximum size a collective group of humans, playing one
stone per year in a century-long game could perhaps handle
Size 29 is the size God likes to play. Maybe even it's over comprehension of any
(natural or not) intelligence in this universe.

So, even thought adding knowledge to a go program could increase its ability, I
tell you that this is not enough, and that no program will ever be able of
capturing the deep essence of a 19x19 game. Or, in other words, that no go
program will ever reach the level of 6-dan pro.
This is somewhat a disapointing statement. But I will stand to that point unless
some genious mathematician proves me that the game has a yet cached  structure
(fractal ?) that enables understand the grounds of the game a different way.



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