Re: computer-go: Most simple Go rules

[Don Dailey <drd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

We are  not suggesting that you  throw compassion out the window, just
that you have a few rules that all participants must adhere to.

Don't  make rules that  are too strict, only  rules that you intend to
enforce.  Decide in advance where you will be forgiving.

Don


   Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:40:33 +0100
   From: Nick Wedd <nick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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   In message <5144A3121B37D411BC0100508B955A1801024AC7@USPALX20>,
   Grajdeanu, Adrian <adrian.grajdeanu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes
   >> Though this raises another question.  What if the rules 
   >> forbid suicide, but one player makes a suicide move,
   >> and the other accepts it?  My view is, let them play on.
   >
   >Nooo, it is bad enough we have multiple sets of rules. It would be chaos if
   >in addition to this we wouldn't obey whichever set we decided on.
   >I'm a programer like most (if not every) one on this list. If I screwed up
   >in my program and be disquyalified due to not obeying one of the rules, then
   >it is my mistake and that's the end of it. I would be disappointed, but
   >would not find blame in anybody else.

   If your opponent detects you not obeying the rules, then you lose.
   There's no question about that.  But how far does the organiser have to
   go in policing it?

   > I think all the CG tournaments should
   >adhere to the same sane set of rules and stick to it.

   There is very little chance of that happening.  Particularly with the
   Ing Foundation sponsoring a set of rules that has attracted little
   general enthusiasm.

   On the question of a program which makes an illegal move, condoned by
   its opponent: 
       If you want this to result in automatic loss, you have to have every
   game watched by someone.  The Tournament Director won't be able to do
   all this himself.  So you have to ask the programmers themselves to
   check for it.  This involves trusting their honesty, which is
   reasonable.  It also involves requiring one of them to watch each game,
   which is more questionable.  Sometimes the Go Modem Protocol is working,
   and both programmers want to absent themselves for some refreshment.  I
   would be most reluctant to forbid this, and to assign them each a loss
   if I found them both absent at the same time.
       And it's not as if anyone would do this deliberately.  Having your
   program make a suicide move in an event which does not allow suicide
   would probably result in immediate loss.  But if it so happened that its
   opponent did not complain, I'm suggesting that we should let them get on
   with the game, and accept the result.


   Nick
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   Nick Wedd