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RE: [computer-go] Pattern Matcher
Out of interest, could you post the "Mr. Popo vs. GoMonster" game indicating
which moves you predicted successfully.
Then we can know whether you're just getting the forced or nearly forced
joseki moves, or more general moves where there's more choice involved.
Thanks in advance,
Nick Krempel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: computer-go-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:computer-go-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank de Groot
> Sent: 07 November 2004 17:04
> To: computer-go
> Subject: Re: [computer-go] Pattern Matcher
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vincent Diepeveen" <diep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [computer-go] Pattern Matcher
>
>
> > My chessprogram just won the dutch open champs and a few months before
> that
> > became 3d in the world champs 2004. Prospects are that in future it will
> > become world champion.
>
> Congratulations.
> Have you noticed you are posting on a Go mailing list?
>
> > How strong is your go program?
>
> How strong is your Go program?
> Don't compare apples with pears.
> The strongest Go program is very bad.
>
>
> > The problem of automatic patterns is the poor *quality* of the patterns.
>
>
> Perhaps when you make an automatic pattern harvester.
> Not when I make one.
> You have religious convictions on my pattern matcher whilst I have the
> hard
> data to back it up.
> The highest pro-prediction values in the business.
>
> Jealous?
>
> > If the quality of the patterns is 30 kyu, you will never be able to beat
> a
> > professional dan player.
>
> If my grandmother would have had a dick, it would have been my
grandfather.
> Why is my system able to predict most moves in "Mr. Popo vs. GoMonster"
> when
> trhe quality of the patterns is 30 kyu, hm, wiseguy?
>
> That you managed to make a strong chess program means nothing.
> Give me a break. Chess is a simple game. Any punk with a PC can make a
> strong chess program.
>
>
> > So far no one succeeded in making an automatic system just capable of
> that.
>
> I have made such a system. Telling people they are liars on your religious
> conviction that nobody can be as clever as you are is just plain silly. I
> notice that only the Dutch are as rude as that, so far, here.
> So far you have proven to be an obnoxious punk with exactly zero knowledge
> about patterns in Go.
>
>
> > I hope you realize it's far easier to recognize persons faces, than it
> is
> > to recognize patterns.
>
> As a matter of fact I have done a lot of work on facial recognition.
> Not the actual recognition of who the face belongs to, but very quickly
> isolating a face from any envinonment, also in worst-case scenario's.
>
>
> > Recognizing go patterns from go games is far harder than face
> recognition,
> > because you have no clue what you are searching for.
>
> Religious conviction.
> I simply look for everything and keep what occurs most.
> My results prove I was successful.
>
> Can't handle it?
>
>
> > The top 5 of chessworld currently clearly is : Shredder, Diep, Junior,
> > Hydra and Fritz.
>
> Congratulations.
> I couldn't care less what those pathetic little stupid programs do.
> Chess is not Go and Go is not chess.
> So you made a strong chess program.
> Don't be too proud of it.
> Compared to Go, chess is like Tic-Tac-Toe.
> I am not impressed.
>
> Show me your strong Go program when you're so clever, telling others that
> their stuff stinks :)
> If you want to play with the big bous in comp. Go, show us your results.
> A big mouth buys you no credibility.
>
>
> > Automatic pattern learners such as the entire Dan Thies project, they
> never
> > came further than say 1600 rated chess engines.
>
> Chess is not Go.
> Chess is Tic-Tac-Toe. Nothing. Trivial compared to Go.
>
>
> > Wait a minute. Your patterns are automatic, so worse than hand coded
> > patterns for sure.
>
> Nonsenseical religious statement.
> Of course automatic patterns are much better than hand-coded.
> Can you hand-code 8 million patterns and estimate how much each is worth?
>
> In Go?
> Better than my system?
> Don't make yourself ridiculous.
> Stick to chess.
>
>
> > And yes every part in the space shuttle was designed by hand too.
>
> Nonsense.
> The airodynamic parts and the parts that endure stress are designed by
> simulators that DICTATE how parts should look based on Finite Element
> Analysis. So every part that matters is designed by computer. DICTATED how
> it should be by software-driven analysis.
> Your universe is not much bigger than your chess engine.
>
>
> > Some very good patterns were set negative instead of positive.
>
> So?
> Because some chess programmers did something you didnæt agree with, my
> system does not work?
> My results prove it does work.
>
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