Re: [computer-go] Pattern matching - example play

[David Weiss <dweiss51@xxxxxxxxx>]

1. I am talking about professional Go players.
Cite a paper from De Groot studying professional
Go players.

2. I have had many professional Go players give
me lessons and analyze the games that I played
with them.  They all saw more than I did.  Period.

--- Vincent Diepeveen <diep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> The research from De Groot is very clear David.
> 
> No discussions possible. A professional player does
> *not* see more than an
> amateur player. Period.
> 
> At 11:05 29-11-2004 -0800, David Weiss wrote:
> >I don't know that much about Chess, and
> >am not all that interested.  In Go,
> >players analyze various sequences of moves,
> >and reject those that don't work.  Profesional
> >Go players are not monosyllabic idiot savants, 
> >but people who have read out sequences of moves
> >for different possible alternatives, and base
> >their play on this.  
> >
> >Of course the judgement of professional players 
> >is better than that of amateurs without any
> reading.
> >Professionals play simultaneous games against
> >large numbers of amateurs all the time, and only
> >lose about one or two stones in ability when
> playing 
> >very quickly.  The additional 9 hours that they 
> >take in a tournament game takes them from the level
> >of an extremely strong amateur to a professional.
> >Still, they are actually reading out stuff and
> >using that information in deciding a move.
> >
> >> Play some 65 years old player who some years ago
> >> played for the world title
> >> chess.
> >> 
> >> They just see each time it is their move a single
> >> move. As they do not see
> >> a single other move and just consider this move
> they
> >> play it. That move
> >> happens each time to be the best move, so they
> win
> >> the game.
> >> 
> >
> >
> >
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