Re: [computer-go] ANN(s) playing a perfect game...

["Frank de Groot" <frank@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

From: "Jim O'Flaherty, Jr." <jim_oflaherty_jr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [computer-go] ANN(s) playing a perfect game...


> I am working with ANNs using GAs.  What I am finding is there is a huge
> number of people who are out of synch with more modern ANN techniques,
> and write ANNs off out of hand.  It is not unique to this group.  There
> is enormous amounts of information in a number of domains.  And there
> even more "less informed self-righteous" software developers.

What are your successes using NN's applied to Go?


> No one (including the uh..."geniuses" of this group) has the time to
> follow all the tangents in the many differing related fields.  And no
> single technique I have seen discussed here is going to "solve the
> computer-go problem" such that the program based on their particular
> "uber" technique will achieve a dan level rating against similarly
> skilled humans, at least not consistently and long-term.  If hardware
> speed keeps doubling, perhaps it might happen in 10 years.

NN's seem particularly useful for weighing factors in an evaluation
function.


> I suspect a hybrid approach, which a couple people have referred to,
> will be what finally makes a substantial breakthrough.  Given the type
> of dialog I see in this group, I am very suspicious it will come from
> here.  I personally detect very little spirit of collaboration.

Discussion is a form of collaboration.
And only heated debated will bring us anywhere as A says: "NN's are the holy
graail" and B says: "Local search is the holy grail" and C says "Global
search is the holy grail" etc. and only by challenging those POV's will you
exhaust the argumentation.


> think the hybrid is going to require that.  I do see a member or two
> trying for collaboration.  And most of the rest of the group is so
> scarcity (it's mine, it's a secret, I'm brilliant and won't share my
> *ultimate* partial solution with you, etc.) focused, it is very
> disappointing.

You know, I find it very disappointing that Donald Trump is not giving me
one of his assets (of real estate).
He is not really collaborating :(

If you want to share everything you've got, you are free to enter the GNU Go
project.
It has dozens of contributors and a massive online treasure trove of ideas
and implementation descriptions.

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