Re: [computer-go] Protocol B

[drd@xxxxxxx]

John,

Very well stated.  I wish I could express myself as eloquently as you do.

I don't mind the possible behavior of many separate resolution phases, this 
protocol allows 2 well behaved programs to ...  behave well.   

It also allows programs to have a legitimate disagreement and then behave well 
while resolving it.  

We can't force or require a program to "behave well" in any case,  we want our 
protocol to simply make it possible.

Don



On Thursday 28 July 2005 11:49 am, John Tromp wrote:
> Eric Boesch wrote:
> > John says that if Protocol B gets ugly when one side plays Tromp-Taylor,
> > it's that player's fault.  The point isn't that the programmer
> > implements Tromp-Taylor, ignoring the agreement phase, to be rude -- the
> > programmer is just handling the endgame as simply as he can, by solving
> > all disputes over the board.  Unlike playing on as long as possible,
> > that is not *inherently* ugly.
>
> Many people have expressed a preference for always play it out rules.
> That is certainly the simplest possible protocol. But other people resist
> this idea because it would make programs look stupid compared to humans.
>
> So there is more or less consensus that programs should be given a chance
> to agree on the score as early as possible.
> Protocol B is the simplest possible incarnation of this, giving the
> programs as many chances as possible to come to an agreement.
>
> I consider this to be quite human like. If two human players decide to
> resume play to decide the status of some disputed group, then once the
> status of that group is clear, they will try to come to another agreement.
>
> So if two smart programs both react to an initial dispute by resolving the
> most likely disputed group, doesn't it look similarly stupid if they are
> now forced to play out the rest completely?
>
> I guess the question comes down to:
> Do we want the protocol to cater to the most desirable program behaviour,
> or to the most lazy/exploitative possible behaviour?
>
> regards,
> -John
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