Re: computer-go: Go Devil

[Don Dailey <drd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I concede that I don't know how close to mastery GO players are.
I just know that humans are very far away in CHESS.   There seems
to be some belief that humans are closer to Go mastery than they
are to Chess mastery which could be true.   But my assumption is
that Go is a better games (deeper, harder to master.)

Don



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   Don Dailey said:
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   100 ELO points per stone may not be accurate. Actually rating in chess may 
   not correlate with Go that much at all. Of course on the other hand it may 
   correlate well. This NEED to be found out. Before we find it out, the merit 
   of arguement based on this assumption is really hard to evaluate. 

   You think even a top Go player has two stone handicap there is still may ways 
   for his opponent (with ability similar to God) to win the game. Before one 
   can make this statement, one need to know the degree of the top Go players 
   mastering the game. For example, if a top Go player can enumerate all 
   possible meaningful ways the game plays out given a two stone handicap and he 
   finds no way to win the game. Then he can play God and win with two stone 
   handicap. Of course the question then becomes that do top Go players master 
   the game that well? Well it seems they do. At least this is what they feel.

   To counter above arguement, one may say if they master the Go game that well 
   then why the outcome of a game is often so uncertain. The answer of this 
   question lies in the design of the game. For example two swimmer got the same 
   time in a 50 meter race. This is because the accuracy of the clock. If the 
   distance is measured to the accuracy of 1 nm, then the possibility of two 
   swimmer get the same time is greatly reduced. In one sense, the difference in 
   score is amplified.

   Dan Liu