>What you are asking for is a seki with mutual liberties. You can >construct one with lots of these: >(lower edge) > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . O O O O O O O O O O O O O O . > . O X X X X X X X X X X X X O . > . O X . . . . . . . . . . X O . > . O X O O O O O O O O O O X O . no, the condition is defender *must* pass or die. here black can play an live. /Johan