RE: [computer-go] Pattern Matcher - pro games royalties?

[Vincent Diepeveen <diep@xxxxxxxxx>]

At 11:43 7-11-2004 -0200, Mark Boon wrote:
>Many sponsors of professional Go tournaments consider the games their
>property. In Japan I think the Nihon Ki-in considers the pro-games played to
>be owned by them. At least they used to until recently. Even if this is not
>backed-up by actual law, you don't stand much chance selling Go-software in
>Japan if you have the Nihon Ki-in or an important sponsor against you.

in fact if they as an organisation entered the games into the computer,
*that file* is their property.

If someone else also enters the games, the entered file is his property.

So for example if tournament directors not sponsored by Nihon Ki-in enter
games and post them publicly on the web, they are for free.

But the games themselves are not copyrighted in any way. 

Nevertheless if that closes the Japanese market for computer go databases,
then that is showing a serious flaw in computer go, namely that go gets
played in too little countries at a massive scale.

China+Taiwan, Japan, Korea ?

>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Diepeveen
>> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:36
>> To: computer-go; computer-go
>> Subject: RE: [computer-go] Pattern Matcher - pro games royalties?
>>
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> >Oh, by the way. I agree that your pattern-matcher is probably a
>> jewel. But
>> >the value is not in the patterns it generates, it's in the games you feed
>> >it. Did you know you have to pay royalties on pro games? You'd better be
>> >careful about what you're trying to 'sell'.
>>
>> Could you explain why there is royalties on pro games?
>>
>> In chess there have been a tens of courtcases which all very clearly
>> demonstrated that games in themselves are free. Only you must proof that
>> you either entered the games yourself into the computer or have the rights
>> from the person that entered them.
>>
>> That's why by now all so many games (a million or 4) are for free on the
>> internet.
>>
>> What is the construction used in the go world?
>>
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