Re: [computer-go] Pattern matching - example play

[Vincent Diepeveen <diep@xxxxxxxxx>]

At 19:52 1-12-2004 +0100, Vlad Dumitrescu wrote:
From: "Vincent Diepeveen" <diep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Again in contradiction to what some write here, making real good searching
>> software is NOT easy nor trivial. Without 10 years experience there, 
>> forget
>> even trying it.
>
>Just my wacky attitude, but how is one to get 10 years of experience if not 
>by trying and trying and then trying some more? :-) So I'd rephrase that to 
>"Without 10 years experience there, don't expect better than mediocre 
>results" or something like that.

I am open to better definitions.

But let's face it, the average go and chess or game searching program
developed for a thesis, is real real bad. Usually a year or 4-6 has been
put into it by then already. So we can't say the researcher has failed.
Competing with those 10 year old projects is just very hard.

At this moment i'm pretty sure several strong go players can blindfolded
play 9x9 go against the magog, at this moment the strongest university 9x9
go program and beat it blindfolded.

Note i did the same with some chessprogram in the world champs 2000 while
we were eating in a hamburgershop (the frenchman operating his laptop).
This poor guy also had to pay something like 250 english pound entry fee.

Interesting would be a blindfolded 9x9 go session diepeveen - magog.

The board might be 1 too big for me. At a 8x8 go-board playing magog is a
hands down blindfolded win for me of course while sitting in some Wimpy
type of restaurant.

Then the software really still has a level below that in the land of the
blind.

However when some guy called Donninger tunes that software for 1 day and
gets a 100 bugs out of the program and modifies search a bit, i would piss
in my pants even while getting 9 hours of time behind a real board playing it.

Vincent

>And of course, there always can be an inspired amateur that finds a 
>different approach and makes it work in less than 10 years...
>
>regards,
>Vlad 
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