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Re: [computer-go] gnugo



I think Don has made some good points.

I don't feel partial to the build of GNU Go that I sometimes run, any more than I feel partial to the version of Windoze that I run. And I don't think that any of the competitors in these events think that I might. However there is always a danger that someone may think this in future, and it is a risk that I prefer to avoid.

Therefore, in future, I shall not choose to run a bot which competes in any of these KGS Computer Go events. However, if someone explicitly requests me to run a bot which for some reason he is unable to run himself, I shall consider the request. If I agree, I shall need to be sent a build of it for WindozeXP, and a kgsGtp configuration file for it.

I would like to persuade the GNU Go team to enter GNU Go for these events whenever possible. However, negotiating with the GNU Go team is like negotiating with a hydra. Maybe they will discuss this among themselves, and appoint someone whose job it is to arrange for it to enter.

By the way - I hope that a GNU Go representative is in Prague on July 27th, so that I can deliver the pint (or more plausibly litre) of beer that it won in the zeroth event.

Nick

In message <200507131219.j6DCJ5CY028649@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Don Dailey <drd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes
I feel a little bit funny about having you "represent" a program even
if it's a public domain program.  It just doesn't seem quite right to
me but I know people seem to have completely different sensitivities
about things.  For instance I know that feelings range from total free
for all to strict and rigid control.  So mine is just another opinion.

However, I don't feel that you had anything at stake, or that there
was a  conflict of interest.

Someone may say, how could there possibly be a conflict of interest,
it isn't even your program?  Nothing at stake for you.

However any computer chess person will vouch for the fact that if you
give someone any kind of ownership of a program (even it is just
letting them operate it) they will get their ego wrapped up in it.
Witness the huge number of crafty clones that used to be on ICS with
their "representatives" putting enormous efforts into fighting for
them.  Whenver someone operated my program in tournaments within a few
minutes they were saying stuff like "my program did this or that."
The fact that they called it "their" program tells you something.

I see that you have a good conscience about this from your concern
over it's appropriateness.   I don't have any questions that you did
it for the positive reasons.

As long as you have Gnugo team approval, I have no problem.

I would suggest that you simply get their approval for all future
tournaments - get their permission in advance that Gnugo by default
will be entered automatically in future events until such time as they
want to change this arrangement.

The only issue is that sooner or later an issue will come up involving
Gnugo and then you will have to make some kind of ruling on this and
it will be painful because you will be accused of unfairness if you
rule in favor of Gnugo in a some diffiuclt decision.  But this seems
fairly remote since the tourmanet is almost automatic (and could be
automatic in the future.)

Don






I am unsure whether it was right of me to enter a version of GNU Go
myself.  Reasons in favour:
   The more entrants, the better
   People like to see their bots compete against GNU Go
   It is no extra work for me, my PC is connected anyway
Reasons against:
   The GNU Go was eight months old, a recent one would play better
   As organiser, I ought not to help a program like this
I will welcome views on this, particularly from GNU Go developers.

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