Re: [computer-go] I know we disagree, but I choose to do nothingabout it.

["William M. Shubert" <wms@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 18:05 -0700, David G Doshay wrote:
> On 22, Jul 2005, at 4:18 PM, Nick Wedd wrote:
> 
> > I thought, I still think, that it is you who advocates mandating it. 
> > You don't propose mandating it by requiring programs to respond in 
> > some way to the "kgs-genmove_cleanup" command;  you advocate 
> > effectively mandating it by changing the rules of the tournaments so 
> > that programs that don't respond appropriately to it will lose most of 
> > their games as a consequence.
> >
> > And I am not happy about this.  Or maybe I still don't understand.
> 
> I feel exactly the same way. This proposal promotes an "optional" 
> protocol over correct understanding of the game situation, and if the 
> program does correctly understand the board but does not participate in 
> the protocol it looses. Not much of an option from my perspective, even 
> if I ignore my other problems with the suggested protocol.

(Sorry for this coming so late, I'm catching up on my email now). H'mm,
my way of looking at it is a little bit different.

Let's say two programs disagree on the game situation. The standard GTP
protocol has no way for them to figure out which is right, and which is
wrong. So rather that favoring a protocol over understanding the game,
what I'm doing is providing a protocol by which programs can determine
which one of them had the correct understanding of the game situation,
and which was wrong. The program that has the correct understanding of
the game situation will be the one that benefits, as long as it can use
the protocol...but on the other hand, isn't that the case for GTP (or
any other protocol) in general? After all, you may have the best go
playing program in the world, but if you don't implement the GTP
protocol, then all your game understanding won't help you a bit in a
GTP-based tournament. Same thing here; your program may be able to
perfectly analyze living/dead groups at the end of the game, but if you
don't have a way of showing why they are living and dead, then you won't
win.

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