RE: [computer-go] ICGA report

[Vincent Diepeveen <diep@xxxxxxxxx>]

Perhaps i received the journal faster.

I referred to this position :

black : f1-i1,f2,n2,p2,q2,f3,m3,p3,c4,g4,l4,m4,c5,g5-j5,l5,d6,e6,h6,j6,l6,
f7,j7-l7,o7,q7,r7,f8,k8,o8,p8,r8,e9,f9,j9,r9,b10,d10,g10,k10,l10,p10,s10,
c11,d11,f11,h11,l11,r11,e12,g12,j12,m12,a13,d13,e13,g13,i13,m13,o13,p13,
b14,c14,h14,q14,a15,l15,q15,a16,h16,i16,q16,l17,n17-p17,j18-m18
white : b18,j18,e17,h17-k17,m17,c16,f16,l16,m16,p16,b15,j15,m15,p15,
f14,g14,l14,o14,p14,b13,f13,k13,b12,d12,f12,k12,l12,b11,i11,k11,
c10,e10,i10,j10,c9,h9,s9,d8,i8,j8,q8,s8,c7,e7,g7-i7,n7,p7,s7,c6,f6,g6,i6,k6,
o6,p6,r6,s6,d5-f5,k5,m5,n5,q5,i4,k4,n4,p4,c3-e3,h3,j3,q3,r3,e2,g2,h2,k2

Hope i didn't make a typing mistake of that position.
19x19 for sure is a lot of typing effort!

MFOgo black against go intellect.
You write: ply 168=f12,169=a13,170=b12,only move to save is i12 where MFOgo
decides for d15. Go intellect plays e13 and captures half the group.

Life&death by definition is tactics.

At 22:43 23-11-2004 -0800, David Fotland wrote:
>I don't know if it is available for download from the journal web site.
>Probably not.
>The position is from the 9x9 go intellect black vs gnugo.  It's not a
>tactic.  It's the
>strategy of sacrificing 2 stones so the other go program wastes moves
>capturing them.
>Since weak stones have aji, deciding when to add a move or not is a
>difficult question,
>even for people, and it has little to do with search.
>
>David
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: computer-go-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> [mailto:computer-go-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Cook
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:00 PM
>> To: computer-go
>> Subject: Re: [computer-go] ICGA report
>> 
>> 
>> > Secondly, I see a very nice written report by David Fotland 
>> who shows 
>> > clearly that go programs still are strugling to search 
>> basic tactics.
>> > 
>> > Not counting forced moves how many ply is the mistake seen 
>> from brute 
>> > force perspective when using a reasonable evaluation function?
>> 
>> David, is your report available for download anywhere?
>> 
>> Or if not, is it possible to post here the position mentioned above?
>> 
>> Darren
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