Re: [computer-go] Pattern matching - example play

[Vincent Diepeveen <diep@xxxxxxxxx>]

Go and chess are very the same thing of course. 

Oh well there is a differences. International chessgames last at most 7
hours and we sit on good comfortable chairs when playing. 

Additionally there is a reunification match going on meaning we have again
a reunified world champion and not several.

In short the main difference there is in computer go, is that the go
software still is where chess software was in 1979.

Vincent

At 11:20 29-11-2004 -0800, David Weiss wrote:
>1. I am talking about professional Go players.
>Cite a paper from De Groot studying professional
>Go players.

Only idiots post such nonsense.

>2. I have had many professional Go players give
>me lessons and analyze the games that I played
>with them.  They all saw more than I did.  Period.
>
>--- Vincent Diepeveen <diep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> The research from De Groot is very clear David.
>> 
>> No discussions possible. A professional player does
>> *not* see more than an
>> amateur player. Period.
>> 
>> At 11:05 29-11-2004 -0800, David Weiss wrote:
>> >I don't know that much about Chess, and
>> >am not all that interested.  In Go,
>> >players analyze various sequences of moves,
>> >and reject those that don't work.  Profesional
>> >Go players are not monosyllabic idiot savants, 
>> >but people who have read out sequences of moves
>> >for different possible alternatives, and base
>> >their play on this.  
>> >
>> >Of course the judgement of professional players 
>> >is better than that of amateurs without any
>> reading.
>> >Professionals play simultaneous games against
>> >large numbers of amateurs all the time, and only
>> >lose about one or two stones in ability when
>> playing 
>> >very quickly.  The additional 9 hours that they 
>> >take in a tournament game takes them from the level
>> >of an extremely strong amateur to a professional.
>> >Still, they are actually reading out stuff and
>> >using that information in deciding a move.
>> >
>> >> Play some 65 years old player who some years ago
>> >> played for the world title
>> >> chess.
>> >> 
>> >> They just see each time it is their move a single
>> >> move. As they do not see
>> >> a single other move and just consider this move
>> they
>> >> play it. That move
>> >> happens each time to be the best move, so they
>> win
>> >> the game.
>> >> 
>> >
>> >
>> >
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