RE: [computer-go] Pattern matching - example play

["Mark Boon" <tesuji@xxxxxxxxx>]

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> [mailto:computer-go-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Vincent
> Diepeveen
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 20:41
> To: computer-go; computer-go
> Subject: Re: [computer-go] Pattern matching - example play
>
>
> Go and chess are very the same thing of course.
>
> Oh well there is a differences. International chessgames last at most 7
> hours and we sit on good comfortable chairs when playing.
>
> Additionally there is a reunification match going on meaning we have again
> a reunified world champion and not several.
>
> In short the main difference there is in computer go, is that the go
> software still is where chess software was in 1979.
>

To quote yourself: only idiots post such nonsense.

> Vincent
>
> At 11:20 29-11-2004 -0800, David Weiss wrote:
> >1. I am talking about professional Go players.
> >Cite a paper from De Groot studying professional
> >Go players.
>
> Only idiots post such nonsense.
>
> >2. I have had many professional Go players give
> >me lessons and analyze the games that I played
> >with them.  They all saw more than I did.  Period.
> >
> >--- Vincent Diepeveen <diep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> The research from De Groot is very clear David.
> >>
> >> No discussions possible. A professional player does
> >> *not* see more than an
> >> amateur player. Period.
> >>
> >> At 11:05 29-11-2004 -0800, David Weiss wrote:
> >> >I don't know that much about Chess, and
> >> >am not all that interested.  In Go,
> >> >players analyze various sequences of moves,
> >> >and reject those that don't work.  Profesional
> >> >Go players are not monosyllabic idiot savants,
> >> >but people who have read out sequences of moves
> >> >for different possible alternatives, and base
> >> >their play on this.
> >> >
> >> >Of course the judgement of professional players
> >> >is better than that of amateurs without any
> >> reading.
> >> >Professionals play simultaneous games against
> >> >large numbers of amateurs all the time, and only
> >> >lose about one or two stones in ability when
> >> playing
> >> >very quickly.  The additional 9 hours that they
> >> >take in a tournament game takes them from the level
> >> >of an extremely strong amateur to a professional.
> >> >Still, they are actually reading out stuff and
> >> >using that information in deciding a move.
> >> >
> >> >> Play some 65 years old player who some years ago
> >> >> played for the world title
> >> >> chess.
> >> >>
> >> >> They just see each time it is their move a single
> >> >> move. As they do not see
> >> >> a single other move and just consider this move
> >> they
> >> >> play it. That move
> >> >> happens each time to be the best move, so they
> >> win
> >> >> the game.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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