Re: [computer-go] Pattern matching - example play

[Vincent Diepeveen <diep@xxxxxxxxx>]

At 11:20 29-11-2004 -0800, David Weiss wrote:
>1. I am talking about professional Go players.
>Cite a paper from De Groot studying professional
>Go players.
>
>2. I have had many professional Go players give
>me lessons and analyze the games that I played
>with them.  They all saw more than I did.  Period.

That is why De Groot took strong amateur players and not utmost beginners.

Of course in go i'll see forever more than you do too as i have the same
calculation power like the pro players. I just play pathetic moves from
positional/strategical viewpoint.

It is not a good idea to do statements regarding 'seeing more' when you
have no clue how many moves a pro considers versus a strong amateur, let
alone what search of a program would consider.

Vincent

>--- Vincent Diepeveen <diep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> The research from De Groot is very clear David.
>> 
>> No discussions possible. A professional player does
>> *not* see more than an
>> amateur player. Period.
>> 
>> At 11:05 29-11-2004 -0800, David Weiss wrote:
>> >I don't know that much about Chess, and
>> >am not all that interested.  In Go,
>> >players analyze various sequences of moves,
>> >and reject those that don't work.  Profesional
>> >Go players are not monosyllabic idiot savants, 
>> >but people who have read out sequences of moves
>> >for different possible alternatives, and base
>> >their play on this.  
>> >
>> >Of course the judgement of professional players 
>> >is better than that of amateurs without any
>> reading.
>> >Professionals play simultaneous games against
>> >large numbers of amateurs all the time, and only
>> >lose about one or two stones in ability when
>> playing 
>> >very quickly.  The additional 9 hours that they 
>> >take in a tournament game takes them from the level
>> >of an extremely strong amateur to a professional.
>> >Still, they are actually reading out stuff and
>> >using that information in deciding a move.
>> >
>> >> Play some 65 years old player who some years ago
>> >> played for the world title
>> >> chess.
>> >> 
>> >> They just see each time it is their move a single
>> >> move. As they do not see
>> >> a single other move and just consider this move
>> they
>> >> play it. That move
>> >> happens each time to be the best move, so they
>> win
>> >> the game.
>> >> 
>> >
>> >
>> >
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