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Re: [computer-go] Search = Bad!

Frank de Groot wrote:


played that way.  It's an adversarial game with very complex things
interacting on the board.

Only when you look at it subjectively.
when you look at all possible board positions over the course of a game in
their entirety, all there is is a FIXED pattern. Highly regular like a
Mandelbrot fractal.
But the play including captures and threat of captures actually led to the fixed pattern.

If you would be inside the Mandelbrot fractal, you would think what's going
on is very complex. From the outside, it looks more regular.
And if you would have top backtrack from one of the inner protrusion of the
Mandelbrot fractal to the edge, it would be near impossible if you did not
know how the fractal was structured.

Agreed, but irrelevant.  Try to design a game using the mandelbrot fractal.


The main goal to surround more territory
than your opponent means in addition to localize tactics an group
interaction there are higher level tactics.

The main goal is not to surround more territory.
The *real* main goal is to reach the end of the fractal in a favorable place
(for you). The goal is to find the path to that and keep on the path.
That is the real goal, bec. we have reduced it to the simplest objective
that is always true.
Nonsense. The real go most simply stated is to end the game with your total territory + prisoners greater than the opponents.

Your go fractal space theory and the restated theoretical goal to reach the end of the fractal in a favorable place (for you) is just that - a theory. If such a thing exists it will need to correlate to the actual territory/prisoner goal above.

For example, one may decide to sacrifice a certain area because playing

>> elsewhere is worth more points.  Reading and strategizing and counting
>> potential points are very important aspects to playing go. How could a
>> mathematical formula embody this strategy and tactics?

Bec. the strategy and tactics are not important, they will "appear" all by
themselves when you find a way to navigate the Go fractal space.
Sounds like magic. Captures, ko threats, prisoner and territory count will somehow spring from the go fractal space. Not convinced.

Matt
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