Re: [computer-go] future KGS Computer Go Tournaments - two sections?

[Don Dailey <drd@xxxxxxx>]

Hi David,

I think it's my fault in the way I worded things that maybe sounded
like an attack on SlugGo.   I apologize if that is how it came across.

The key phrase in my statement about not wanting to play several GNU
Go variants was "IN THE SAME TOURNAMENT."   

So the way to understand my stance is that I don't want to play
several GNU Go clones in the same tournament, but I would be happy to
play any single one.

And yes, I would be very pleased to be part of your verification
process, but botnoid is probably too weak for you to mess with.  In my
opinion you need to play a long public match against GNU Go, MFOG or
some other strong program on KGS or one of the other servers.
Tournaments are pretty much useless (or at best would require
significantly more effort to get enough game samples to actually
impress a scientist.)

- Don






   From: David G Doshay <ddoshay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
   Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:46:31 -0700
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   On 10, May 2005, at 1:51 PM, Don Dailey wrote:

   >
   >> I think the goal is that you don't want two (or more) basically
   >> indistinguishable copies of a program playing in the same tournament.
   >
   > It's not as simple as just this.  If I put a significant amount of
   > effort into my program in hopes of occasionally winning a tournament,
   > I don't want to face the following programs in the same tournament:
   >
   >   1.  GnuGo as is.
   >   2.  GnuGo with search added on a large network cluster.
   >   3.  GnuGo with search added on a single processor computer.
   >   4.  GnuGo with search added on a 4 processor SMP.
   >   5.  GnuGo with search added on an 8 processor SMP.
   >   6.  GnuGo with some pattern enhancements.
   >
   >
   > But there is no reason an exhibition match cannot be played with
   > Sluggo vs GnuGo on KGS.  Sluggo (or any other Meta-Gnu) can
   > experimentally verify it's good results and spur more research with
   > such matches.
   >
   > So why not at least get SlugGo up and running on KGS?  Is there any 
   > reason
   > we can't do this?  It would be fun if our programs could play a few
   > handicap games against Sluggo.
   >
   > - Don

   Don, do I correctly understand the above to mean that you don't want to
   play GNU Go or any variant in any tournament, but that you do want to
   play against such programs for fun? And you make this decision based
   upon how much work you put into your program?


   Cheers,
   David


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