Re: computer-go: perfect players

["Jon Diamond" <jdiamond@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

What I wonder is how quickly are the top programs improving?

Is there anyone who can suggest a graph over time?

----- Original Message -----
From: David Fotland <fotland@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <computer-go@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <computer-go@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: computer-go: perfect players


>
> The popular belief is that the top pros are within 4 stones of perfection,
> based on
> some statistics about variation in final score.  Top go programs right now
> are at
> least 20 stones below the top humans, and may be close to 25 stones
weaker.
>
> Many Faces and Go4++ both play on IGS and have earned 16K* ratings.
Goemate
> doesn't play there, but I doubt it is more than a stone or two stronger.
>
> At 11:41 AM 5/2/2001 -0400, Fant, Chris wrote:
> >It has been said by at least one chess player that they could beat a
perfect
> >player, given a one pawn advantage.  Has this ever been tried against a
> >computer player?  I am interested in knowing how close computer players
are
> >to a perfect player, how close the best human players are to the perfect
> >player and how close the best Go players are to the perfect player.  It
is
> >my conjecture that human and computer chess players are very close to the
> >perfect player relative to how close the best Go players are to the
perfect
> >player.  I believe that Go programs will eventually surpass human players
> >and go on to absolutely destroy the best of the best.  I believe this
> >because of the complexity of the game.  Computers can't be stopped.  They
> >will continue to approach perfect player performance.  What does the
group
> >think?
>
> David Fotland
>
>