Re: [computer-go] how to use GTP in place of GMP

[Don Dailey <drd@xxxxxxx>]

I think cheating is a lot  easier in manually operated games where the
operator has his  hands all over the keyboard and  IS THE interface to
the board.

But cheating will always be possible no matter what.  

This issues seem to fall into two broad categories:

   1. Ways that a stronger player (presumably a human) can do things to affect
      the move choice of the computer.

   2. Ways you can sobotage the opponent.



Under the pressure of tournament conditions people often get downright
paranoid.  If we see a little irregularity it must be a cheat.  I hope
computer go  is a little gentler  than computer chess  in this regard,
but this  kind of talk already makes  me a little sad,  we are already
figuring out how to combat cheating.

I'm sad to  say the paranoia is not without  basis.  In computer chess
there has indeed been substantial  cheating.  There has also been much
presumed  cheating that didn't  really exist  (paranoia.)  So  I'm sad
that we have  to even talk about  it, but probably we do  (or will) at
some point.

- Don




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   Gunnar Farnebäck wrote:
   > Erik van der Werf wrote:
   > 
   >>BTW How do people feel about the increased opportunities for foul
   >>play in network environments. It may be significantly harder for
   >>tournament organizers to deal with (accusations of) foul play...
   > 
   > 
   > Is this expected to become a problem?

   At the moment I don't think it is a major problem, but I'm not sure 
   about all possible participants (see e.g., 
   http://www.msoworld.com/mindzine/news/scandals/scandal0400.html).

   The current Go programs are still weak and the stakes are not very high 
   (no million dollar prices at the moment). However, as computers will get 
   stronger in the future I think the atmosphere between (some) 
   participants may become less friendly. In this context it is interesting 
   to consider that the World Computer Chess Championship is still played 
   manually over the board.

   Of course there are technical solutions to overcome most problems, but I 
   suspect that they will significantly increase the burden on the 
   organizers. (The tournament director may have to be an expert in Go 
   rules, network communication protocols, and security issues!)

   Erik

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