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Re: [computer-go] Modern brute force search

At 08:31 PM 11/7/04, Don Dailey wrote:


> A professional checkersplayer such as Tinsley could play the game near
> perfect.

Yes, Tinsley was on the verge of perfect play, ...

But it's amazing how difficult  this very "simple" game is...

Before  Chinook had the  big databases, ...

Here is  the interesting point of  what I am  saying: Those incredible
search depths that Chinook could do, which could lose to Tinsley, were
many ply less than chess programs do right now!  And yet current chess
programs  are very  close  to the  playing  ability of  the very  best
players!

Does everyone  see my point?  That's why  I say there must  still be a
very long way to go for  computer chess, and I extrapolate to GO.
not sure. are you saying with a better db, the chess programs could be much better? and that this may be true for go?


I know it's  possible that GO is actually a  simpler game (for humans)
than Chess  is.

only the rules are simpler. the play is much more complicated (for humans).


 Maybe it's actually  easier for computers  too and we
just haven't  figured this out yet.   Maybe there is  some strange and
abstract  representation of  GO  that  makes it  the  game easier  for
computers yet to be discovered.   Nah!
now that is a cool idea. but i have no idea what it would be like. all i can imagine are the two extremes 1) a smart program with real good heuristics that tries to play like a human and 2) something that plays in the middle and knows how to win somehow.

i have this friend who has some add, and cant' remember joseki. he always plays in the center if he has black. this is hard to play against as it is unusual and black has this huge advantage in all fights as he has a friend to run out to and most of the ladder will hit the his stone in the center.

thanks

---
ray tayek <http://tayek.com/>, co-chair <http://www.ocjug.org/>, actively seeking telecommuting work.

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